While the country is in the grip of this 15-year-long energy crisis, there is another even slower-burning and longer-running crisis that we have committed to tackle: climate change. And we have committed to stimulating our moribund economy through infrastructure spending via the national infrastructure plan until 2050. Joining Michael Avery for this discussion is Joanne Yawitch, CEO of National Business Initiative; Dr Miriam Altman, director of Altman Advisory and professor of 4IR practice at the University of Johannesburg; as well as independent energy analyst Clyde Mallinson. Business Live South Africa, 14 July 2022.